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#37542 - 13/11/2022 23:40 Re: korrigere misforståelser [Re: somo]
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Taler Koranen om en global oversvømmelse...

https://www.religion.dk/synspunkt/ricardt-riis-man-skal-ikke-kaste-med-sten-n%C3%A5r-man-bor-i-et-glashus

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Aminah Tønnsen løser det problem, jeg begyndte med at opstille (Hvordan kan alle dyr have været i arken?) ved at sige, at ifølge koranen var syndfloden kun en lokal, ikke en global begivenhed.

Og jeg skal indrømme, at en sådan tolkning nok lettere lader sig gennemføre i koranen end i bibelen; f.eks. hævder koranen mange steder, at Noa blev sendt »til sit folk«.

Når jeg alligevel er lidt skeptisk, hænger det nok først og fremmest sammen med, at koranen synes at forudsætte den bibelske Noa-beretningen bekendt, herunder formentlig forudsætte bekendt, at der var tale om en global begivenhed; i hvert fald retter den ikke udtrykkelig den fejl, hvis den altså mener, det er en fejl.

For det andet taler den letsindigt om et par af enhver' dyreart nogle steder (11,40; 23,27); det er det, der får Hadi Khan til, måske lidt spidsfindigt, at påstå, at alle' i sura 11,40 ikke betyder alle', men kun alle i nærheden' (eller, som han siger, alle mulige').

Videre vil den hjemmeside, som Aminah Tønnsen henviste mig til (www.hyahya.org), drage alle andre oversvømmelsesberetninger ind i billedet og derudfra hævde, at begivenheden har været global. Dernæst hedder det i sura 71,26, at Noa sagde: Lad der ikke blive så meget som én tilbage af de vantro på jorden'; og i sura 6,6: Ser I ikke, hvormange forud for dem Vi ødelagde? Generationer havde Vi opbygget på jorden i en styrke, som Vi ikke har givet jer. Og Vi lod regn vælde ned fra himlen i overflod, og Vi fik strømme til at flyde for deres fødder, og alligevel ødelagde Vi dem for deres synders skyld og oprejste i stedet for dem friske generationer til at efterfølge dem'.

Det kan vist vanskeligt forstås på anden måde, end at koranen opfatter begivenheden som global. Og Noas folk' må så forstås om samtlige de mennesker, der levede på Noas tid. Men endelig må man spørge, om ikke tanken om, at ødelæggelsen kun er lokal, fuldstændig tilintetgør historiens pointe.

Altså: Hvad skulle alle disse dyr i arken, hvis ikke der var tale om en global oversvømmelse? Hvis oversvømmelsen kun er lokal, forsvinder jo begrundelsen for, at der i det hele taget skulle dyr med i arken. Så vil jo ingen dyr blive udryddet; mange vil dø, ak ja, men i landene ved siden af det oversvømmede land findes de samme dyr sprællevende og kan så blot indvandre i det oversvømmede land, når oversvømmelsen er ovre.

Der er noget at tænke over? Hvad skal der iøvrigt til, for at overbevise mig om mirakler? En muslim der går på vandet ville være nok blinker Lad os undersøge dette...

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#37555 - 14/11/2022 14:29 Re: korrigere misforståelser [Re: ]
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Var Noahs syndflod global eller lokal i islam?

I Allahs navn, den nådige, den barmhjertige

Nogle mennesker har hævdet, at islam forpligter en tro på, at Noas store syndflod, fred være med ham, må have været af global natur. Da ideen om en global oversvømmelse er i modstrid med mange nuværende videnskabelige modeller for geologi, arkæologi og historie, har nogle hævdet, at man skal vælge mellem videnskabelige beviser og islam.

I virkeligheden kræver islam ikke troen på, at den store oversvømmelse nogensinde var fysisk global,

at udsendelsen af ​​Noa og syndfloden kun var for befolkningen i én region og ikke alle på jorden.



Adam og Eva (as), de første mennesker, var kun inden for et par generationer af Noa og syndfloden. Den menneskelige civilisation havde relativt set været i sin vorden, og en katastrofal regional oversvømmelse ville have været tilstrækkelig til at udslette den.

Nogle forskere har endda antydet, at syndfloden ikke kunne have været global, fordi Noah (s) ikke blev sendt til hele menneskeheden, i modsætning til profeten Muhammad (s).

https://www.abuaminaelias.com/nuh-flood-global-or-local/


Did Noah's flood cover the whole earth? Dr Zakir Naik

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XEJM5InCpdA



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Hvor mange dyr var der på Noas (fvmh) ark?



Er der nogen omtale i Koranen eller Hadith om, hvor mange dyr Nabi Nuh(AS) havde på arken? Som det ville have været utænkeligt at have haft alle dyrearter på jorden?

Svar

Der er ikke noget præcist antal at fastslå. Koranen har ikke nævnt noget bestemt tal. Ikke desto mindre er der en misforståelse om, at alle jordens arter var samlet på profeten Noas (fvmh) skib.

Vores forståelse af versene i Koranen om dette emne er, at oversvømmelsen var regional

og at dyrene var dem, der kunne hyrdes og i forhold til den tid og det sted.





https://www.understanding-islam.com/how-many-animals-were-on-noahs-pbuh-ark/

Sapient Thoughts #12: Were all the species on Earth put on Noah's ark? | Mohammed Hijab

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6kb5ypppNPk



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Kun Faderen er Gud, der tilgiver synd, ikke Kristus

The Bible has been corrupted and destroyed by unknown writers
Very few true verses mentioned by the Prophet Jesus, peace be upon him, are consistent with the sayings of the previous prophets and Islam



You are as wrong as Peter

Christ described Peter as a demon,

Peter believed that Christ forgives sins

but Christ is not God to forgive sins

He said to him: 19 I will give you the keys of the kingdom of heaven; whatever you bind on earth will be[a] bound in heaven, and whatever you loose on earth will be loosed in heaven.”

Can a person forgive with a word, and the Lord of man is unable to do so?!

How do people's minds think?



25 And when you stand praying, if you hold anything against anyone, forgive them, so that your Father in heaven may forgive you your sins.”
Mk-11-25

34 Jesus said, “Father, forgive them, for they do not know what they are doing.”[a] And they divided up his clothes by casting lots.


Lk-23-34

Christ did not say, I forgive you, and you must ask forgiveness from the Father, and Christ taught the disciples and believers in his message to ask for forgiveness from the Father



Christians are delusional and deceive themselves into believing things that simply cannot be true

Jesus, peace be upon him, was not killed, nor was he crucified, and he will not bear the sins of people

The most common belief among Christians is the belief that Jesus died for our sins, but the question is:
Who said that Jesus died for our sins?

Actually when we look at the verses Christians use to prove this belief, we find that 95% of these verses are from Paul’s epistles, and the verses used to prove this belief from the Gospels are very few, which puts a question mark on its source and whether Jesus really told that he would die on the cross for our sins.


we as Muslims don’t need to believe that God needs to be a man or to be crucified for our sins, because God is mightier than that, we actually believe that this is a blasphemy and an insult against God. For sin to be forgiven by God, mans should repent faithfully to God, and acknowledge his sins, and God is the All Forgiver and All Merciful who will forgive him if He really knew he is really intending to repent and stop the sin:

110. And whoever does a wrong or wrongs himself but then seeks forgiveness of Allāh will find Allāh Forgiving and Merciful. ( Holy Quran 4:110)
Doesn’t God forgive sins without Jesus dying?

No need for all that so that God forgives my sins, and this is what is also said by the Old Testament:

Eze 18:21″But if a wicked person turns away from all his sins that he has committed and keeps all my statutes and does what is just and right, he shall surely live; he shall not die.

Eze 18:22None of the transgressions that he has committed shall be remembered against him; for the righteousness that he has done he shall live.
Did Jesus know that he came to die for our sins?


God only punishes the guilty in Islam and does not harm the innocent
Muslims do not believe in blood sacrifice and they do not believe that a holy man like Jesus should die such a cruel and humiliating death. He bears the sins of mankind while he is innocent

It is better for God to forgive without bloodshed, because He is able to do so, as in Islam, God forgives without killing an innocent person and shedding blood.
God only punishes those who commit a sin, and does not punish the oppressed



Logically, rationally and scientifically, sin is not inherited from the father to his son because it is one of the acquired actions that are not inherited. If your father committed a sin, do you inherit his sin as you inherit the color of his eyes. ? If the father chose to be a criminal, does this mean that his son will inherit from him this nature that is in the father? Likewise, if the father is good, it does not necessarily mean that the son will be so, because he inherited the nature of his father


The belief the inherited sin. contradicts divine justice. This is because the just God punishes a person for what he did, not for what his father or grandparents did. The Bible says in Ezekiel 18/20-21: The one who sins is the one who will die. The child will not share the guilt of the parent, nor will the parent share the guilt of the child. The righteousness of the righteous will be credited to them, and the wickedness of the wicked will be charged against them.

This text indicates the responsibility of each individual for his sin and thus denies the inherited sin.

And in Matthew 16-27: and then he will reward each person according to what they have done.
. Christ Himself decides that each person will be rewarded according to his deeds. This contradicts inherited sin and salvation by crucifixion, because the text indicates that salvation is through work and not by crucifixion

CONCEPT OF ORIGINAL SIN IN ISLAM & CHRISTIANITY ...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EJ80uBqrN5I
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#37560 - 14/11/2022 16:57 Re: korrigere misforståelser [Re: somo]
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Jeg hæfter mig ved dette...

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Når jeg alligevel er lidt skeptisk, hænger det nok først og fremmest sammen med, at koranen synes at forudsætte den bibelske Noa-beretningen bekendt, herunder formentlig forudsætte bekendt, at der var tale om en global begivenhed; i hvert fald retter den ikke udtrykkelig den fejl, hvis den altså mener, det er en fejl.

Lad os tilgive...

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Hvem er skaberen...

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#37564 - 14/11/2022 23:21 Re: korrigere misforståelser [Re: ]
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Der vil helt sikkert være en lighed i historien om Noas syndflod, fred være med ham, blandt de abrahamitiske religioner, fordi den er fra én Gud

Du bør vide, at Toraen, Evangeliet og Koranen er himmelske bøger fra Gud

Men efter at have forvansket Toraen og Evangeliet, sendte Gud Profeten Muhammed, fred være med ham, med Koranen for at rette de tidligere bøger



Koranen er det sidste budskab til mennesker. Du kan aldrig finde en fejl i Koranen
Dette er, hvad videnskabsmænd har bevist


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Skaberen er kun Faderen

Og Kristus er Guds profet





The Prophets of the Old Testament such as Abraham, Noah and Jonah never preached that God is part of a Trinity, and did not believe in Jesus as their saviour. Their message was simple: there is one God and He alone deserves your worship. It doesn’t make sense that God sent Prophets for thousands of years with the same essential message, and then all of a sudden he says he is in a Trinity and that you must believe in Jesus to be saved.

The truth is that Jesus preached the same message that the Prophets in the Old Testament preached. There is a passage in the Bible which really emphasizes his core message. A man came to Jesus and asked “Which is the first commandment of all?”Jesus answered, “The first of all the commandments is Hear, O Israel, the Lord our God, the Lord is one.’’[Mark 12:28-29]. So the greatest commandment, the most important belief according to Jesus is that God is one. If Jesus was God he would have said ‘I am God, worship me’, but he didn’t. He merely repeated a verse from the Old Testament confirming that God is One.

Some people claim that Jesus came to die for the sins of the world. But consider the following statement of Jesus: This is eternal life: to know you, the only true God, and Jesus Christ whom you sent. I have glorified you on earth by finishing the work you gave me to do.[John 17:3-4]. Jesus said this before he was caught and taken to be crucified. It is clear from this verse that Jesus did not come to die for the sins of the world, as he finished the work God gave him before he was taken to be crucified.

Also Jesus said “salvation is of the Jews” [John 4:22]. So according to this we don’t need to believe in the Trinity or that Jesus died for our sins to attain salvation since the Jews don’t have these beliefs.
5. The Early Christians

Historically there were many sects in early Christianity who had a range of beliefs regarding Jesus[1]. Some believed Jesus was God, others believed Jesus was not God but partly divine, and yet others believed he was a human being and nothing more. Trinitarian Christianity which is the belief that God, Jesus and the Holy Spirit are one in three persons became the dominant sect of Christianity, once it was formalized as the state religion of the Roman Empire in the 4th Century. Christians who denied Jesus being God were persecuted by the Roman Authorities[2]. From this point onwards the Trinitarian belief became widespread amongst Christians. There were various movements in early Christianity which denied the Trinity, among the more well known of them is Adoptionism and Arianism.

Dr Jerald Dirks who is an expert on early Christianity had this to say on the subject: Early Christianity was quite conflicted about the issue of the nature of Jesus. The various Adoptionist positions within early Christianity were numerous and at times dominate. One can even speculate that Arian and Nestorian Christianity might well be an extremely sizable source within Christianity today, if it were not for the fact that these two branches of Christianity, which were located primarily in the middle east and in North Africa were so similar to the Islamic teaching regarding the nature of Jesus that they quite naturally were absorbed into Islam at the beginning of the seventh century.”[3]

Since there were so many sects in early Christianity, each with different beliefs about Jesus and with their own versions of the Bible, which one can we say was following the true teachings of Jesus?

It doesn’t make sense that God sends countless Prophets like Noah, Abraham and Moses to tell people to believe in one God, and then suddenly sends a radically different message of the Trinity which contradicts his previous Prophets teachings. It is clear that the sect of Christianity who believed Jesus to be a human Prophet and nothing more, were following the true teachings of Jesus. This is because their concept of God is the same as that which was taught by the Prophets in the Old Testament.
Jesus in Islam

The Islamic belief about Jesus demystifies for us who the real Jesus was. Jesus in Islam was an extraordinary individual, chosen by God as a Prophet and sent to the Jewish people. He never preached that he himself was God or the actual son of God. He was miraculously born without a father, and he performed many amazing miracles such as healing the blind and the lepers and raising the dead – all by God’s permission. Muslims believe that Jesus will return before the day of Judgement to bring justice and peace to the world. This Islamic belief about Jesus is similar to the belief of some of the early Christians. In the Quran, God addresses the Christians about Jesus in the following way:

O People of the Book, do not commit excesses in your religion, and do not say anything about God except the truth: the Messiah, Jesus, son of Mary, was nothing more than a messenger of God, His word, directed to Mary and a spirit from Him. So believe in God and His Messengers and do not speak of a ‘Trinity’– stop [this], that is better for you– God is only one God, He is far above having a son, everything in the heavens and earth belongs to Him and He is the best one to trust. [4:171]

Islam is not just another religion. It is the same message preached by Moses, Jesus and Abraham. Islam literally means ‘submission to God’ and it teaches us to have a direct relationship with God. It reminds us that since God created us, no one should be worshipped except God alone. It also teaches that God is nothing like a human being or like anything that we can imagine. The concept of God is summarized in the Quran as:

“Say, He is God, the One. God, the Absolute. He does not give birth, nor was He born, and there is nothing like Him.” (Quran 112:1-4)[4]

Becoming a Muslim is not turning your back to Jesus. Rather it’s going back to the original teachings of Jesus and obeying him.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AUA2Ln4jsEM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RpdrcQ55Zxw

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z29jFDmkoEc
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#37566 - 15/11/2022 13:13 Re: korrigere misforståelser [Re: somo]
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Jeg hæfter mig stadigvæk ved dette...

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Når jeg alligevel er lidt skeptisk, hænger det nok først og fremmest sammen med, at koranen synes at forudsætte den bibelske Noa-beretningen bekendt, herunder formentlig forudsætte bekendt, at der var tale om en global begivenhed; i hvert fald retter den ikke udtrykkelig den fejl, hvis den altså mener, det er en fejl.

Hvorfor er Koranen ikke klar i mælet? Har vi fundet en fejl? Hvad bliver der iøvrigt af bekræftigelsen? En muslim der går på vandet...

https://vandrermodlyset.dk/guds-tjeners-tale/

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